• Rant against wedding photogs...





    from: http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/evs/2804332414.html

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    WHY is finding an amazing wedding photographer so difficult? :/

    I am a Bride who is getting married this summer and have yet to find a decently priced, exceptional, amazingly talented, fun photographer.

    WHY because the word "WEDDING" is involved photographers think they can change you $ 3,000.00 for wedding photos? Oh, because no bride is going to go without so they are going to pay it, because they HAVE to. They are ripping people off for all they have! Why when you want to get married it costs you AT LEAST 15 grand after all is said-and-done? Its such CRAP!! I love all you $ 3,000.00 photographers out there but i think your prices are WACK. All your doing is hanging out at a wedding taking tons of photos and editing them.. and thats owrth 3 GRAND!!! You're making so much money its crazy. I just wish people would be more realistic. I mean the "average" persons salary for 1 freaking month is somewhere around 3 grand. (Thats making 19$ an hour) So you're going to take someones WHOLE MONTH paycheck for one flippen day of photos? Just because you CAN!!?????? So that maybe they will not be able to feed themselves or pay any other bills they have, right? It makes me SICK!

    I know im speaking for more than just myself right now. Alot of brides out there think the same thing. & I bet all you fancy photographers wont even read this. oh-well.
    Maybe there are cheaper photographers that will read this and LOVE to take my photos
    Comments 22 Comments
    1. jacobsen1's Avatar
      and here's a reply:
      http://www.kristenboothblog.net/2012...-so-expensive/
    1. Glass Man's Avatar
      I feel sorry for whomever she ropes into shooting her wedding.
    1. jacobsen1's Avatar
      yeah, well I can honestly see both sides of this. Now that I'm looking to get into the whole wedding thing, I know I'm undercharging while I build my port. I'm basically charging $1k for images only, processed. On the one hand, if I could book one a week all year I make what I made (roughly) at my real job. Yes you have to edit etc and that takes time, but I doubt between shooting a wedding and the full processing time it's got to be less than the 50 hours I was putting in at work in a week? And it's not the clients problem my schedule isn't full, so I can't charge more to them simply because I want to go full time and can't book 52 weddings a year... Then again, it's supply and demand, if you're good enough people are demanding all your popular dates way in advance, you know you can charge more, so it naturally goes to you raising prices. There's just a lot to think about really, especially for me since I have a background in costing.
    1. Whitford's Avatar
      That was not a good retort.
    1. porschewrx's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen1 View Post
      She linked to this blog which spells out why $3000 in not "wack" http://blog.nikkimaydayphotography.c...pher-response/
    1. jacobsen1's Avatar
      ^ OK, but again, it's not the brides fault that photog is working 4 months a year but using her actual anual expenses to rationalize the costs... Shoot seniors or corporate work the rest of the time? yes, she does a decent break down of her other expenses (but $2500 for internet a year, we pay $240 at our house, and a 10-22 on a 5Dii, and a 50 1.4 for $500? not unless it's a sigma....). But yeah, decent post, but again, it's not fair to compare a shortened season -vs- a full years expense to your clients. You need to break it down week to week for the weeks you're actually shooting then get a part time off season job if that's your rational.

      Basically, I'd be much happier if these photogs just said, look, I only have 52 weekends I can shoot and of those half aren't used in this region... So with 26 weekends, and the demand brides have for my work, I've been working my price up to match the supply with the demand by pricing some clients out of my range. THAT makes perfect sense.
    1. chadwick's Avatar
      I'd charge her $4000, just because she's a bitch.
    1. Bleufire's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen1 View Post
      .... a 10-22 on a 5Dii, .....
      Question then response...
      Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
      Random question but why list your 10-22 wide angle when you use 2x5dmk2s? They are not compatible!

      Let us know if you get a reply from the bride!
      Quote Originally Posted by Nikki View Post
      Hey Mark, It was actually a carry over from my 7D, which I started my business with… I have read articles though that if you pop off the guard that protects the rear element, it is the only thing that prevent the lens from mounting to the camera. I haven’t attempted it yet though….
    1. jonnyd91's Avatar
      Damn 3 grand is a bargain. I spent 6500.00 on my wedding photos
    1. s7khan's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen1 View Post
      yeah, well I can honestly see both sides of this. Now that I'm looking to get into the whole wedding thing, I know I'm undercharging while I build my port. I'm basically charging $1k for images only, processed. On the one hand, if I could book one a week all year I make what I made (roughly) at my real job. Yes you have to edit etc and that takes time, but I doubt between shooting a wedding and the full processing time it's got to be less than the 50 hours I was putting in at work in a week? And it's not the clients problem my schedule isn't full, so I can't charge more to them simply because I want to go full time and can't book 52 weddings a year... Then again, it's supply and demand, if you're good enough people are demanding all your popular dates way in advance, you know you can charge more, so it naturally goes to you raising prices. There's just a lot to think about really, especially for me since I have a background in costing.
      Let's do the Math

      $1000 per wedding
      52 weddings a year

      $52 000!!!!!!!

      - Income tax (Let's say Romney's tax rate of 15%): $7800

      = $44 200!!!!!!

      -15% for the IRS ($3000 to $6630, depending on how you'd like to expense it, I'll stick with the lower end of the scale here)

      = $41 200!!!!!

      - Gear insurance: So for 2 x 5Dmii, 24x70mm, 2 x 580EXii, 50mm f1.4 < Total gear value of ~$6000. At $1.35/$100 of gear that's $81/month. x 12 months = $972

      = $40 228!!!!

      - Health, cause you get no benefits from being self employed ($400/month? Iz free here, so I'm guesstimating.) $4800/year
      Plus if you're doing this full time, it's a good idea to get chiro and massage from time to time to ensure you have a back for retirement

      = $35 428!!!

      - Cost of travel to/from weddings, consults, etc: $1000

      = $34 428!!

      - Website upkeep, promotional material incl. adverts, etc: $500-$2000

      = $33928!

      - Misc expenses relating to the business (computer/camera upgrades, auto insurance, etc): $3000

      = $29928
    1. dmitchell's Avatar
      People get so stupid about weddings, I don't buy it. Why spend a down payment on a house on one freaking day. We paid $400 for our photographer and our entire wedding was about $3K and I thought all that was too much.

      Wedding Photographers charge what the market will bear same as plumbers, dentists and any other service profession. Yea, that can be a lot, but what about that silly ass $10K dress and your ridiculous 10 bridesmaids, caterer, flowers, and all the other BS.

      If someone was hiring me to shoot a $40,000 wedding, you damn well better believe that I'd be looking to get my piece of that pie. Business is business and If you are good enough to fetch that kind of price more power to you.

      People get so stupid about weddings, I don't buy it. Why spend a down payment on a house on one freaking day. We paid $400 for our photographer and our entire wedding was about $3K and I thought all that was too much.

      As far as the response, it was as stupid as the original post. By her accounting she has 35 hours in the project plus meetings. $75 an hour isn't bad money. Don't close with the sentimental BS about the memories, if you want to be defensive, then close with some balls.

      I love this:
      After spending 8-10 hours at your wedding, I then come home to my home
      office TAX DEDUCTION and spend about 20-25 hours editing your images, creating your album, blogging about your wedding SELF PROMOTION, posting pictures on facebook MORE SELF PROMOTION,ordering you prints and burning your DVDís


      So she's factoring in her advertising for herself, as part of the time spent dealing with someone's wedding.
    1. ride5000's Avatar
      fundamentally i think photographing most weddings is a lot more work than most people think it is.

      i'm gonna do one at the end of feb. small wedding, 25ppl. dinner afterwards, single long table. dump of all shots in jpg format. half a dozen posed formal portraits, the rest all candids. i'm charging $250. travel/meal/lodging on top of that.

      post prod work on select images is a la carte, by the hour, @75/hr. i will not print anything.

      i charged what i thought was a fair price for a pretty low key affair. the bride begged me to do it, on account of her knowledge of my personal style, so i don't have to emulate anyone. i'm just gonna go hide in the shadows and do my thing and pocket some dough. if circumstances were different (size of wedding, venues, expectations of wrangling lots of people for posed shots, post prod work, printing packages, etc) then my fee would be different! plus, i wouldn't be shooting it.
    1. Markitos's Avatar
      People also tend to discount the physical aspect... I work a job where I am on my feed for 9+ hours a day, and weddings STILL wear me out because I'm doing that same 8-9 hours, plus carrying around a bunch of heavy **** and crouching, bending, otherwise contorting to get shots. That's why the Fuji X-pro1 is calling my name so strong right now. It may not be the one, but eventually someone will make a small, extremely well-specified camera for this sort of stuff.
    1. thomps6s's Avatar
      Let's not forget that the bride to be has the discretion to not use the $3000 photographer and find this photographer.
      __________________________________________________ _____________________________

      Photographer - $10 (Barnum)

      Date: 2012-01-23, 12:55PM CST
      Reply to: sale-sgrqg-2814144170@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

      Looking for a photographer for cheap? I take very nice pictures and can show you examples if needed. I charge $10 to take the pictures $5 for a cd and additional for prints. i can take pictures of people of all ages and all group sizes.

      Location: Barnum
      it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
      PostingID: 2814144170
      __________________________________________________ _________________________

      There's always, ALWAYS a cheaper option.
    1. thomps6s's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen1 View Post
      ^ OK, but again, it's not the brides fault that photog is working 4 months a year but using her actual anual expenses to rationalize the costs...
      She doesn't have to pick that photographer. It's not the photographer's fault either.
      If I charged $10K per wedding and shot every weekend for 4 months I would gross $160K
      That's my business plan, I don't want to work 12 months out of the year and nobody has to use me as a photographer.
      You don't like my prices? Bounce! Find someone else.
    1. Markitos's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by thomps6s View Post

      She doesn't have to pick that photographer. It's not the photographer's fault either.
      If I charged $10K per wedding and shot every weekend for 4 months I would gross $160K
      That's my business plan, I don't want to work 12 months out of the year and nobody has to use me as a photographer.
      You don't like my prices? Bounce! Find someone else.
      This exactly. I'm sure she can find someone cheaper, but in most cases you get what you pay for.
    1. tardypizza's Avatar
      No way would I work for her for less than $15k


      Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen1 View Post
      I know I'm undercharging while I build my port.
      Don't do that. Stop devaluing your work before you've even done it. You're obviously talented, so live up to it and charge what your time is worth. If you don't meet the client's expectations you can deal with it after they complain, but don't start out by shooting yourself in the foot.
    1. thomps6s's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by tardypizza View Post
      No way would I work for her for less than $15k




      Don't do that. Stop devaluing your work before you've even done it. You're obviously talented, so live up to it and charge what your time is worth. If you don't meet the client's expectations you can deal with it after they complain, but don't start out by shooting yourself in the foot.
      This ^
    1. dmitchell's Avatar
      "Who did you wedding photos/ we are looking for a photographer" " Ben J.. he was great and only charged $1000" "Hello Ben, we want you to shoot our wedding, oh it's $2,500 now? But you did Sally's for $1000"
    1. danm's Avatar
      i got an in with a local small time (but very talented) set of photogs for event, corporate and weddings. Any weddings i book with be through this business. It reduces my individual profits but also keeps things standard, gives me back up and a set price sheet. and gives me someone else to deal with all the bull****.
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