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PhatheadWRX
08-25-2008, 09:13 AM
I know a lot of you guys (shawn, jay, sileb, etc) rock the 190xprob (or CF version).

I really like the design, and I think I'll get use out of the horizontal column for macros and the funky angles I like. I am wondering how often you guys use the column in the horizontal position?

As for heads, I'm thinking about the 486RC2. This will be my first ball head, so I'm looking for tips and comments on how to use it. I know a lot of you rock the 488 series, and I know that I'll be losing the pan lock of the 488. How often do you guys use the pan lock?

The main reasons I'm considering the 486 is the cost ($70 vs $110) and weight (.46 kg vs .67kg).

Also the 190xprob is rated for 5kg max, 486RC2 for 6kg max, and 488RC2 for 8kg max. I just think the 488 is overkill for these legs. Expecially with my XSi only weighing 475g and the 70-200 f/4 IS (likely the heaviest lens I'll purchase) weighing 760g.

I would also like to know how easy/hard it is to remove the ballhead from the tripod legs? I know you want a good sturdy connection, but I've also been looking at the Joby Gorillapod SLR Zoom as a fun pocket tripod. It'd be nice if I could pull the 486 off the 190 and put it on the Gorillapod easily.

thomps6s
08-25-2008, 02:53 PM
I love it. I have the 190xprob and 488RC4.
The 190xprob specs are - weighs 4 lbs and supports 11lbs.
The 055xprob legs specs are - weighs 5lbs and supports 15lbs

PhatheadWRX
08-25-2008, 02:57 PM
Shawn, do you use the pan lock on the 488? Do you think it would be a big loss to go with the 486?

thomps6s
08-25-2008, 03:00 PM
After having the 488 I would not go down to a 486 unless I was buying it for my travel CF tripod. I love the pan lock feature.

PhatheadWRX
08-25-2008, 03:33 PM
Any thoughts on how easy it is to remove the ballhead from the tripod to put on the gorillapod? Should I just leave it on?

thomps6s
08-25-2008, 03:35 PM
It is easy to remove, just unscrew it.

thechickencow
08-25-2008, 06:27 PM
I ahve the 484rc2, and its good for me. Nice and light.

I think a pan lock would be nice but I haven't missed it yet. I got my head because it was light and more compact, thus I'm more likely to use the tripod.

I think mark has the 484 also.

I don't use the tripod in horizontal mode much, but its nice to have.

nawoj
08-25-2008, 06:35 PM
i have the 055xprob with a 486RC2, love the legs, love the head. while it may not be "light" i dont find it to be "heavy" either. and i dont think id use the pan lock even if i had it. if i wanna pan left or right, i flip the lever, reposition, and lock er down.

thomps6s
08-25-2008, 06:37 PM
i have the 055xprob with a 486RC2, love the legs, love the head. while it may not be "light" i dont find it to be "heavy" either. and i dont think id use the pan lock even if i had it. if i wanna pan left or right, i flip the lever, reposition, and lock er down.

I use the pan lock for panoramics.

Markitos
08-25-2008, 06:58 PM
I use the pan lock for panoramics.

I'd like to have a pan lock for just that reason.

thechickencow
08-25-2008, 08:46 PM
I did get a cool bubble level that fits in my hotshoe slot so I can know I'm level at least when I pan.

PhatheadWRX
08-25-2008, 09:33 PM
Thanks everyone. Maybe I should just get the 484, it should be plenty hefty for my gear and its way lighter than the 486 (but only $10 cheaper).

Jay, I'm definitely planning on a hot shoe bubble level. The cheapest and easiest way to know your camera is level.

I just want to be sure that the ballhead won't have any issues holding my gear up at 90deg with the center out fully horizontal.

I don't find myself shooting a ton of panos, but I figure with a bubble level I could be sure the pan was spot on for each shot.

LateApex
08-25-2008, 09:41 PM
After having the 488 I would not go down to a 486 unless I was buying it for my travel CF tripod. I love the pan lock feature.

I agree with this... I like it. Plus, it makes it easy to position the ball-lock knob where it's convenient to grab.

I have the 488RC2 w/ 055XPROB legs. I'm 6'2", and I don't have to raise the column much, if at all to get the VF to my eye level. I only wish Bogen would make an L-bracket, because that's the only reason I would want to upgrade to an arca-swiss head.

thechickencow
08-25-2008, 09:42 PM
Silver Scoobie said the 484 wouldn't be strong enough, but I haven't had any issues. I know a bigger one would be more solid, but this one does hold the camera with my 70-200 pretty easily (combined wt is about 6#).

One thing is if the tripod legs are in the most vertical setting and you don't put the horizontal over a let and have heavy stuff (my 40d+70-200 i meantioned) it'll be close to tipping. The way around it is to use a wider leg base, put the weight over a leg more, or move the horizontal a bit in towards the center.

PhatheadWRX
09-11-2008, 10:22 AM
Bumping this thread again as I was just looking over some tripod specs.

I just realized the 190 is less than 5' tall fully extended. I'm wondering if I should go for the 055 series for the height. I know weight + $ comes along with height. I also lose some on the min shooting height, and I like to get low.

Any thoughts on 190 vs. 055?

thomps6s
09-11-2008, 10:30 AM
I think the 055 is a bit more sturdy and thinking back, I probably should have bought it.
Also, as for tripod height, I rarely extend past one section, so for me it doesn't matter.

thechickencow
09-11-2008, 12:44 PM
I haven't found height to be an issue with mine, and I'm 6'4".

My cf feels somewhat 'flimsy' when its extending just due to the lack of weight, but once its up it is very sturdy.

An update, my 484rc2 ballhead supports my 40d + 70-200 sigma (2.8# lens) pretty well by the tripod ring, but when its on the camera it droops a bit unless I crank down on the ballhead.

PhatheadWRX
09-11-2008, 01:11 PM
thanks Jay, good to know. At most I think I'd have the Canon 70-200 f/4 IS

thechickencow
09-11-2008, 01:28 PM
I'll let you know on that one soon. ;)

LateApex
09-11-2008, 07:07 PM
With the leg spread on the 055, you don't lose anything on the low end. The center column is the limiting factor, and you can swap out the longer one for a stub column that will allow you to shoot low. FWIW, you can still shoot at ground level with the long column, but you have to go horizontal with it.

MK19
09-11-2008, 07:09 PM
I just got the Manfrotto 190XPROB and the 484RC2 Mini Ball Head. So far I like it a lot, but damn it is heavy :p

PhatheadWRX
09-11-2008, 08:29 PM
that was super quick man!!! I went to the store and played with a 190xb & 486 today. I think it's going to be plenty tall. They didn't have any 055s :(

thomps6s
09-11-2008, 08:36 PM
FWIW I absolutely love my 190Xprob and 488RC4.

PhatheadWRX
09-11-2008, 10:14 PM
I've decided on the 486RC2 after holding, playing with one today. I'm just torn on the

190XPROB vs. 055XPROB
Only $9 difference... wonder if I should go for the bigger/heavier 055 = more stable, right?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/480322-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto__190XPROB_Tripod_Legs_Black_.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/480322-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto__190XPROB_Tripod_Legs_Black_.html

055 vs 190 (both with 486)
6lbs vs 5lbs
74" max vs 61" max
3.9" min vs 3.3" min (w/o 486)
13.2 lbs of camera gear vs 10 lbs

After playing with the 190 in the store, with the legs out on the first click and the column extended the whole way, I think the VF would be right near my eye. But I'm only 5'7" The taller 055 may come in handy since I have LiveView and could take advantage of higher POV shots.

I don't think I'll be hiking much with it, so the weight difference should not

thechickencow
09-11-2008, 10:49 PM
French, I'd go lighter, without a doubt. In my opinion the best tripod is one you'll want to use, and lighter is better.

My setup weighs in <4# total - I don't remember the total weight, but its nice and light and easy to carry in my hand or add onto a bag with little extra weight.

Reed Goodwin
09-12-2008, 12:55 AM
I'm an owner of a 055XPROB/486RC2 combo and I like it. It's not the smallest or lightest, but it gets the job done. Heck, I've let my friend use it to support his film 4x5 camera. Talk about pushing the limits of what the tripod's designed to do...
Reed