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spacknick
05-22-2012, 12:17 PM
So my friend and I were shooting some sunsets the other day and we both can't really figure out what to do to make the shots really pop like most of the coast/seascapes that are posted on here. I mean we get the settings right I think, slower shutter speed higher aperture polarizer and an ND grad, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Is it a PP thing, HDR? Am I shooting it wrong, or is it just magic that I haven't found in my spell book yet? Any help would be great!

simmda00
05-22-2012, 12:21 PM
Could you post a shot or 2? For me, it's easier to give help/feedback this way.

spacknick
05-22-2012, 12:27 PM
I'll post some when I get back home.

Bleufire
05-22-2012, 12:35 PM
Im going to assume and say that the guys you have seen posting some of those amazing shots (specifically Ben and Shawn) have done it time and time again and tell themselves what they need to do right the next time.

thomps6s
05-22-2012, 12:35 PM
subscribed for examples

MoLS
05-22-2012, 12:38 PM
Shawn definitely uses magic. He chants up a storm when he's shooting, also he throws rocks to anger the lake.

thomps6s
05-22-2012, 12:54 PM
Shawn definitely uses magic. He chants up a storm when he's shooting, also he throws rocks to anger the lake.

I am guilty of boulder tossing, but the chanting is just me swearing under my breath.

MoLS
05-22-2012, 01:04 PM
:lol: It seems to work!

brian1971
05-22-2012, 01:56 PM
Do you have a beard?

MoLS
05-22-2012, 01:59 PM
:lol:!

spacknick
05-22-2012, 03:14 PM
Here's the pictures I took. Mind you they are still in their raw form and I didn't touch them up at all. Also my polarizer thread ring broke so I had to hand hold my filters for this.

1. 1/13s, f/22, ISO 200
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8006/7250782834_30c9bce0bc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/68223359@N02/7250782834/)

2. 5s, f/22, ISO 200
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7223/7250782988_918ef758de_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/68223359@N02/7250782988/)

3. 1.3s, f/22, ISO 200
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7079/7250783330_7e31f5e3b1_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/68223359@N02/7250783330/)



You see? They have a major lack of the "wow factor." I don't know what kind of magic can be done with them but any suggestions would help a lot!

thomps6s
05-22-2012, 03:21 PM
#1 you need more Grad ND density to pull detail into the foreground.

#2 looks decent, you could make it pop in post.

#3 isn't bad either. Some tweaks in post would make all of these pop more.

It does appear you hit some fairly flat lighting though. Keep at it and it will come.

jjswee
05-22-2012, 03:30 PM
PP work is important, but the light is even more important. A lot of the guys here have put months worth of man hours into shooting sunrises and sunsets. While they post amazing pics one after another, that comes from years of trial and error and arriving at locations at 4 in the morning and there are no clouds or no color in the sky.

thomps6s
05-22-2012, 03:35 PM
Agreed Josh ^^^

It takes a lot of time and practice.

Here's what I came up with from image #2
Some dodging/burning and some other stuff like the grad tool and increasing exposure in the foreground.

http://shawnthompsonphotography.com/images/000001.jpg

jacobsen1
05-22-2012, 03:47 PM
Shawn definitely uses magic. He chants up a storm when he's shooting, also he throws rocks to anger the lake.

^ don't trust this man, he uses unicorn dust in his PP!!!! :lol:


Do you have a beard?

:lol:

Seriously though, come on some of our morning group shoots. This is the easiest way to learn IMHO because you'll see the same sunrise and different results in posts. You can see what each person is getting in camera before we leave via reviews, then you'll see the processing after the fact. As Shawn said above, 2s got potential to pop, you just need a tad more PP practice IMHO, then landscaping also takes a lot of practice. I SUCKED at it when we started doing our group shoots... :lol:

spacknick
05-22-2012, 04:36 PM
Thanks guys. It really does help getting this sort of advice. I'd love to come out on a group shoot sometime but living almost 2 hours from where you shoot becomes a problem. I'll try and make it sometime and definitely keep workin at it though. I do however still think there is a certain level of magic involved...

spacknick
05-22-2012, 04:36 PM
Oh, and I do have a light beard...

MoLS
05-22-2012, 04:42 PM
^ don't trust this man, he uses unicorn dust in his PP!!!! :lol:

Pixie dust and narwhal tusk!

jacobsen1
05-22-2012, 07:25 PM
check the sunrise thread, we drive 2 hours into CT from time to time.

simmda00
05-22-2012, 08:02 PM
check the sunrise thread, we drive 2 hours into CT from time to time.

and sometimes longer!

But yeah, looks like your off to a great start! Just keep shooting!! And asking lots of questions :)

thomps6s
05-22-2012, 10:17 PM
I do however still think there is a certain level of magic involved...

I used to feel the same way and after about 4 years of hitting it hard day after day, it clicked one day. You'll get there man, trust me.

spacknick
05-22-2012, 11:20 PM
I'll definitely keep lookin and workin on my magic tricks!

gks
06-02-2012, 01:00 PM
I know how you feel steve, I'm in the same boat. Your shots are way better than what I'm able to get.

I'm subscribing to this thread and if you don't mind I might add some pics too at some point, to get some answers from the experts here.

jacobsen1
06-02-2012, 01:56 PM
^ see, you're already shooting WITH us, you need to process them and post them to directly compare web to web. Then ask us why yours are different if they are or even post your raws in the process this section. That's how we can help! ;)

gks
06-02-2012, 02:00 PM
Sure, will do that. I have problems with processing and composition too...I think I suck at landscape compositions and which I know for sure I have to learn from you guys.

jacobsen1
06-02-2012, 03:45 PM
right, but the best way to learn is to share and ask for critique. ;)
second to that, because you're shooting with us, look at what we shot -vs- what you shot and see what you like for both sets and just try to remember that and focus on it the next time out.

H14NHA
06-03-2012, 12:39 PM
Hi all.
Is anyone aware of any youtube tutorials or any other tutorials that run through some post processing techniques. I have LR3 and PSE7 and I am the type of person who benefits from seeing how people process their pics rather than following written text. Some tutorials I have found tend to be click this then click that and you're done. Very little can be learned from those type of videos.
Thanks,
Ian