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Warus
09-21-2009, 02:17 AM
Which brand and type are the larger rectangular filters that can be hand held and not screwed on the front element?

Stime187
09-21-2009, 02:21 AM
I used HiTech 4x5s. They're rad.

Warus
09-21-2009, 02:24 AM
no colour issues with those? Local stores don't seem to stock stuff beyond Hoya screw ins and I want the larger ones I can hold and move where appropriate.

jacobsen1
09-21-2009, 08:39 AM
hitech, format, sing, lee and cokin all make panel filters. Cokin is the only option for the giant ones (everyone else goes up to "only" 4"x6". Format will custom make you NDs in the X-pro size though.

thomps6s
09-21-2009, 08:53 AM
I used HiTech 4x5s. They're rad.

Same here, they are Neutral and work great.

Warus
09-21-2009, 06:42 PM
Ok will look at Hi-techs. I was going to buy a Tokina 11-16mm last night but the place in Sydney only has the Nikon mount in stock. He gave me some rubbish about having issues with non- manufacturer brands and that they are moving to only sell Nikon and Canon.

thechickencow
09-21-2009, 07:00 PM
I also use hitechs.

Whitford
05-15-2011, 05:24 PM
I'm sorry guys but I can't find the massive filter thread that I know I've seen before.

In short, I REALLY want to get into the water & rocks game and I now see that a filter kit is an absolute necessity.

I understand that Lee is the best, correct? And Cokin is the more affordable option, but their filter holder leaves something to be desired?

Money is tight, so I definitely want to go the more affordable route.

Thanks guys, and sorry if this is the wrong thread.

EDIT: One more thing. What would be the preferred lens - 24mm prime or 24-70?

jacobsen1
05-16-2011, 10:51 AM
personally, I prefer a wide angle zoom. 17-40 on canon, 16-35 on nikon. The sigma 12-24mm is a lot of fun as well but it makes filters a PITA. After that, a 24-70 isn't a bad lens, I'm just a wide whore...

as for filters, yeah, Lee is where it's at, but they're 50% more per filter I think? Lee is also much harder to get a hold of. The other option is hitech, they make better filters than cokin for not much more money. Filter holder wise I would 100% get the Lee, it's only $30 more I think and WELL worth it. I've owned Cokins, Hitechs and Lees and will only own lees now, they are that much better.

Whitford
05-18-2011, 06:55 PM
Hey thanks Ben, I really appreciate it!

Is this the one you're referring to?:

http://www.adorama.com/LERF75H.html

jacobsen1
05-18-2011, 09:41 PM
NO!

what do you want exactly, I'll build you a list.
use this to find **** if you need it fast: http://www.benjacobsenphoto.com/2011/gear/gradual-neutral-density-filters/
but those links are NOT affiliated.... :whatever:

Whitford
05-19-2011, 12:53 AM
Copy that.

That link really helps, thank you. I basically want a holder to mount on my 24-70 and several filters. Maybe a 2, 3, & 5 stop?

Also, do I want the holder that stacks the filters?

Thanks, Ben. You're the man.

jacobsen1
05-19-2011, 07:40 AM
well, 24-70 is 77mm.

but you say, 2 3 and maybe 5 stops, but what? Gradual NDs, or just regular NDs? If you don't want grads, you can get a fader ND that covers all those stops:
2~8 stops: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/676824-REG/Genus_GL_GNDF_77_77mm_ND_Neutral_Density.html?BI=6 000&KW=&KBID=6913
2~8 stops: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/742535-REG/Light_Craft_321_77mm_Fader_ND_Mark.html?BI=6000&KW=&KBID=6913
9~12 stops: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/742542-REG/Light_Craft_324_77mm_Fader_ND_Ultra.html?BI=6000&KW=&KBID=6913



if you want grads, then stalk B&H and adorama until you can find the parts you need. I'd go with Lees, and I'd get their wide ring even though you're only using it on a 24-70mm now. Only because if you get a wide lens in the future the same ring will work, and if you ever sell the kit, the wide ring is KEY to resale as they can be hard to find at times...
77mm UWA ring (IN STOCK RIGHT NOW!!!): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/87147-REG/LEE_Filters_WAR077_Adapter_Ring_77mm.html?BI=6000&KW=&KBID=6913
3 stop hard line GND (also in stock): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/87388-REG/LEE_Filters_9NDGH_4x6_Graduated_Neutral_Density.ht ml?BI=6000&KW=&KBID=6913
Lee filter holder (out of stock ::)): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/87108-REG/LEE_Filters_FK_Foundation_Kit_Standard_4x4.html?BI =6000&KW=&KBID=6913
they also have this kit which saves money, but only if you want a 2 stop hard GND (also out of stock): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/746186-REG/LEE_Filters_SET_RESIN_STARTER2_Starter_2_Filter_Se t.html?BI=6000&KW=&KBID=6913
I'd also HIGHLY recomend getting these for EVERY filter you own/use once you go panels: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/210726-REG/LEE_Filters_PFE_Velvet_Filter_Envelope_for.html?BI =6000&KW=&KBID=6913

I didn't have those velvet holders when I first got my GNDs, for my HiTech's, they got scratched from not having them and teaching a class, but I now spend the extra $5 and get one for each filter I own.

Whitford
05-19-2011, 08:09 PM
Thank you soooooo much, that is incredibly helpful. :)

And yes, grads are what I had in mind.

jacobsen1
05-19-2011, 10:12 PM
check this out: http://newschoolofphotography.com/what-buy/30961-gnd-nd-buyers-guide-version-ii.html
:lol:

Whitford
05-20-2011, 02:04 AM
Perfect. I love this ****ing place. :lol:

Whitford
05-24-2011, 09:06 PM
Just ordered that 3 stop hard edge and a velvet envelope for it. I just don't have the patience to not shoot what I want until I can get my hands on the Lee holder, so I'll just handhold for now.

jacobsen1
05-25-2011, 11:04 AM
Good idea. Shawn NEVER uses holders FYI, so maybe you'll prefer it anyway. It's certainly cheaper and easier to find all the parts! :lol:

thomps6s
05-25-2011, 12:18 PM
^ This!

5% of the time I wish I had a holder. 95% of the time I prefer hand holding.

jacobsen1
05-25-2011, 01:38 PM
where as I'm exactly the opposite! :lol:

I can NOT get comfortable hand holding... :whatever:

Whitford
05-25-2011, 07:52 PM
Good idea. Shawn NEVER uses holders FYI, so maybe you'll prefer it anyway. It's certainly cheaper and easier to find all the parts! :lol:

I figure if I don't know the luxury of having a holder, I won't have the basis of comparison.


^ This!

5% of the time I wish I had a holder. 95% of the time I prefer hand holding.

Good to know!


where as I'm exactly the opposite! :lol:

I can NOT get comfortable hand holding... :whatever:

I'll give it a shot. If I really don't like it, I can spring for a Lee kit I found on ebay for a decent price.

Hey by the way, did you get the affiliate kickback when I bought the filter? I used your link but wasn't sure if it worked properly.

jacobsen1
05-25-2011, 08:38 PM
I should have but haven't been checking lately (been busy with a kid issue)... :lol:

I'm sure it worked though if you used the filter FAQ, they're all linked up. :)

Whitford
05-27-2011, 05:32 PM
Filter and envelope just arrived. I like the nice, hefty pouch it comes in.

Are these made out of plastic? I was under the impression that they were glass (which would suck). Also, how likely am I to scratch it on the lens if I'm hand holding it?

Thanks. :)

jacobsen1
05-27-2011, 07:03 PM
"resin"

and what lens? Most lens (and lens with filter threads) is protected at the end basically, so unless you shove a corner in there you're all set. If it's a bulb lens, you're still probably OK unless there's something on either one.

Whitford
05-27-2011, 08:17 PM
"resin"

and what lens? Most lens (and lens with filter threads) is protected at the end basically, so unless you shove a corner in there you're all set. If it's a bulb lens, you're still probably OK unless there's something on either one.

Ah, resin. Thank you.

And it will be with the Nikkor 24-70. I was just concerned about scratching the surface of the filter on the the lip or rim of the lens if I were to have it pressed up against it.

jacobsen1
05-27-2011, 08:22 PM
yeah, that's always been my concern, ask Shawn... :lol:

also, if you have any sort of tape, maybe tape the edge?

Whitford
05-27-2011, 08:35 PM
yeah, that's always been my concern, ask Shawn... :lol:

also, if you have any sort of tape, maybe tape the edge?

That's a good idea! Thanks again. :)

Whitford
06-09-2011, 12:51 AM
Works just fine, by the way. No scratching at all, nor does there seem to be any risk of that occurring.

(Thanks, Shawn!)

thomps6s
06-09-2011, 08:09 AM
Works just fine, by the way. No scratching at all, nor does there seem to be any risk of that occurring.

(Thanks, Shawn!)

:banana:

Dragicon
06-09-2011, 08:27 AM
Just ordered that 3 stop hard edge and a velvet envelope for it. I just don't have the patience to not shoot what I want until I can get my hands on the Lee holder, so I'll just handhold for now.

I've never used a holder for my filters, hand holding is the way to go!

jacobsen1
06-09-2011, 10:13 AM
so, how do you hand holders use more than one filter then?

and yeah, I'm sure you use round CPs with your GNDs, but what if you want 2 GNDs or a GND and ND?

thomps6s
06-09-2011, 11:19 AM
so, how do you hand holders use more than one filter then?

and yeah, I'm sure you use round CPs with your GNDs, but what if you want 2 GNDs or a GND and ND?

I hand hold two grad filters easily when needed and I don't own any panel solid ND's but wouldn't see a problem holding and stacking a solid and grad for 30-60 seconds.

jacobsen1
06-09-2011, 11:34 AM
the PITA is you can't let them touch or you get those rainbow rings.... :diaf:

Stime187
06-09-2011, 12:12 PM
I probably use a holder 70% of the time especially when I'm serious about a shot and want to get it right.

Dragicon
06-13-2011, 10:12 AM
the PITA is you can't let them touch or you get those rainbow rings.... :diaf:

depends on what brand, my singh-rays dont get any of the ranbow bands when they are stacked on top of each other.