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s7khan
10-07-2008, 11:59 PM
I have recently come about some money (WOHOO!!!), and I decided that rather then be increadibly smart with my money and invest it, I have decided to spend $500 of that cash on a new camera related purchase.

On my short list
External Flash
2x Telescopic thingy
Parts for a custom made uber cool desktop
Walk around lens, the one that's 28-115mm I think
And I'm open to suggestions

I like landscapes, astrophotography, and I'm enjoying portraits more and more, so I'm not sure where to go. ATM, I'm leaning towards the external flash, but want to think of all my options first.

What say you?

JERM
10-08-2008, 12:04 AM
Have you completely ruled out hookers and blow?

jjswee
10-08-2008, 12:09 AM
Definately get the flash.

If you are talking about the Canon 2x extender, I dont think it will work with your current lenses.

What is your current comp? I priced out a dell from the outlet store. 439 (before taxes and shipping) for an Intel quad core 2400, 2gig ram, ATI 2400 pro video card, 250gig SATA drive. I was this------><------ close to buying it.

I think 28mm on a crop isn't wide enough for a walk around. Especially if you want to be able to do landscapes.

Stime187
10-08-2008, 12:13 AM
Buy a Sigma 17-70 lens. Sell your 18-55. You'll still have ~$200 left over (500 - 375 + 75) and a kick ass lens.

s7khan
10-08-2008, 12:16 AM
Have you completely ruled out hookers and blow?

I refuse to pay for sex.

Not that desperate yet.

s7khan
10-08-2008, 12:18 AM
Definately get the flash.

If you are talking about the Canon 2x extender, I dont think it will work with your current lenses.

What is your current comp? I priced out a dell from the outlet store. 439 (before taxes and shipping) for an Intel quad core 2400, 2gig ram, ATI 2400 pro video card, 250gig SATA drive. I was this------><------ close to buying it.

I think 28mm on a crop isn't wide enough for a walk around. Especially if you want to be able to do landscapes.

So that's 2 for the flash.

1.7 Ghz Centrino, 2 gig RAM, crappy vid card, and I use an external drive.

I think I'll rule out computer for now, because I rather buy a laptop in a year or so.


Buy a Sigma 17-70 lens. Sell your 18-55. You'll still have ~$200 left over (500 - 375 + 75) and a kick ass lens.

I'll check that lens out. I think the max I'll get for my kit is 50, if I'm lucky.

Hopefully, I can get this money in the next week, I'll be doing a bunch of shopping in NY!

jjswee
10-08-2008, 12:20 AM
I have that lens. Stime used that lens. It is an awesome lens. This is another sentence that ends in lens.

s7khan
10-08-2008, 12:29 AM
Now I'm torn between that lens and the flash :S

JERM
10-08-2008, 12:35 AM
My vote is for the flash.

jjswee
10-08-2008, 12:40 AM
You know the benefits of the external flashes. User benefits of the lens is the larger aperature (2.8 at 17mm, 4.5 at 70), its ability to focus on an object touching the lens at 70mm, and its quick AF. It is also sharper than the 18-55. When I say quick, I mean compared to the 18-55. I dont know how it compares to other lenses in that field.

It really depends on what you want more. Indoor shots and outdoor fill OR faster outdoor shots (without flash) with the ability to do close up shots.

I think the flash will be more fun and give you more to experiment with.

jjswee
10-08-2008, 12:42 AM
Buy a Sigma 17-70 lens. Sell your 18-55. You'll still have ~$200 left over (500 - 375 + 75) and a kick ass lens.

Oh wait. 200 left over can get you close to a Canon 430Ex! :banana:

PhatheadWRX
10-08-2008, 01:22 AM
^ egg-z!

QJ
10-08-2008, 08:03 AM
Buy a Sigma 17-70 lens. Sell your 18-55. You'll still have ~$200 left over (500 - 375 + 75) and a kick ass lens.

I also like this idea. :grad:

jacobsen1
10-08-2008, 08:50 AM
lenses before flashes IMHO. But the 17-70 AND 430EX idea is really good. ;)

iunno
10-08-2008, 10:13 AM
how about a DGO bag?

s7khan
10-08-2008, 11:26 AM
how about a DGO bag?

When I woke up, I started thinking about that one as well. My old bag won't be able to carry all this stuff

iunno
10-08-2008, 11:27 AM
:keke:

i've sold over a dozen, MANY SATISFIED CUSTOMERS!

Idjiit
10-08-2008, 11:40 AM
lenses before flashes IMHO. But the 17-70 AND 430EX idea is really good. ;)

Why would you say that? Flashes if you take the time to understand them open up a completely new range of photographic possibilities. Some lenses can as well, but is not as drastic a difference, imo.

And I'm not saying that just because I'm selling a 580 super cheap which the OP really should consider buying. ;)

jacobsen1
10-08-2008, 11:45 AM
^ :lol:

Just personal preference. I know how to use a flash generally but much prefer a fast prime. For me flashes aren't that interesting until you're using more than one and using them off camera. But that's totally my preference.

s7khan
10-08-2008, 11:45 AM
Why would you say that? Flashes if you take the time to understand them open up a completely new range of photographic possibilities. Some lenses can as well, but is not as drastic a difference, imo.

And I'm not saying that just because I'm selling a 580 super cheap which the OP really should consider buying. ;)

Lol. When I get the money, I'm gonna consider that

Idjiit
10-08-2008, 11:47 AM
Just personal preference. I know how to use a flash generally but much prefer a fast prime.

See, I don't get this prime vs. flash distinction that I see so often. Fast primes aren't a replacement for a flash. Flashes can allow you to do things that are simply impossible with available light.

jacobsen1
10-08-2008, 12:07 PM
right, but they're just different. For me shooting around the house at night (PAD of the kid), what are my choices really? Flash or a fast prime w/high ISO, no? I prefer the prime, and actually Nikki and Elias both do as well.

http://www.benjacobsen.com/wp-content/gallery/random-crap/img_8627.jpg

http://www.benjacobsen.com/wp-content/gallery/random-crap/img_8628.jpg

http://www.benjacobsen.com/wp-content/gallery/random-crap/img_8630.jpg

I've been shooting my PADs at f/2 and 1600 for a few months now. Sure the flash can work, and the first shot won't have a scowl in it, but for me I find the prime to work better for what I'm doing.

Flashes do different things well, and are different. But for this type of shooting both would work. For other things only a flash would work or only a fast prime.

iunno
10-08-2008, 12:08 PM
^ :lol:

Juanita
10-08-2008, 12:24 PM
I have that lens. Stime used that lens. It is an awesome lens. This is another sentence that ends in lens.

I love the Sigma too! It's a great lens!

Idjiit
10-08-2008, 12:28 PM
Flashes do different things well, and are different. But for this type of shooting both would work. For other things only a flash would work or only a fast prime.

Sure. I just hear "I prefer primes" in relation to flashes so often that I think people miss that flashes aren't just about the quantity of light, but the quality of light. It is light control, which is a completely different ball game.

jjswee
10-08-2008, 12:36 PM
Why would you say that? Flashes if you take the time to understand them open up a completely new range of photographic possibilities. Some lenses can as well, but is not as drastic a difference, imo.

And I'm not saying that just because I'm selling a 580 super cheap which the OP really should consider buying. ;)

I am going to agree with idjiit here. The debate isn't between a fast prime and a flash. Its between a better zoom or flash. The lens upgrade is only going from a Canon 18-55 3.5-5.6 and a Sigma 17-70 2.8-4.5.

I think the flash will be a bigger change and open up more areas.

s7khan
10-08-2008, 12:38 PM
Oh yeah, the 30mm F/1.4 is also on that list. But it's either that or the flash.

Right now, I'm leaning towards the Flash/17-70mm combo.

jjswee
10-08-2008, 12:50 PM
If you can get the flash and the Sigma, go for it. I have those three items myself and I've never doubted buying them. I do need something past 70mm tho. :lol:

s7khan
10-09-2008, 11:58 AM
Today's purchase: A tripod. I can't find my old one. Still planning to buy a flash/lens/other when I get the money, assuming it's of the correct amount

iunno
10-09-2008, 11:59 AM
which tripod?

s7khan
10-09-2008, 12:01 PM
Uhm...not sure yet

iunno
10-09-2008, 12:10 PM
what's your price range?

s7khan
10-09-2008, 12:12 PM
0-100

iunno
10-09-2008, 12:14 PM
:lol:

how often do you plan on using the tripod?

s7khan
10-09-2008, 01:15 PM
A lot. I used my old tripod, and the tripod before that one for about 75% of my pics

iunno
10-09-2008, 01:21 PM
hrm. do you have any in mind?

riderofbmx4130
10-09-2008, 01:21 PM
i love my flashes. (430ex and 580exII)
so happy i bought them since i love having one flash off camera.
it's all about light control, which means a lot to me right now.

as soon as you get one flash chances are your going to want to experiment with multiple off camera flashes, atleast i know i did. they are soooo fun to play around with!

so if you can get the lens + flash, definitely go for it!

s7khan
10-09-2008, 01:50 PM
hrm. do you have any in mind?


No, not yet, gonna check out what's available

iunno
10-09-2008, 01:55 PM
ok :tapsfoot:

user errors
10-11-2008, 01:11 AM
Buy a Sigma 17-70 lens. Sell your 18-55. You'll still have ~$200 left over (500 - 375 + 75) and a kick ass lens.

+7

s7khan
10-11-2008, 02:35 AM
My boss is lending me his flash today. Gonna see how useful I find it.

s7khan
10-11-2008, 02:35 AM
ok :tapsfoot:


I just bought the same one I had before. $50. The others were too expensive, and I want to wait a year or so before getting an awesome one

s7khan
12-05-2008, 06:17 PM
Still haven't bought the lens - money problems that have just got resolved today.

The 17-70 mm doesn't seem so hot atm - over my budget atm.
I was looking at the 35mm f 2.0prime for $200. Budget is 250$ USD.

So confused